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19.5.09

Has ICE on the track ever been the reason?

May be...

Some snow was the hold up for a some races but I don't know about ice. Ice is sure dangerous and hard to get rid of. But there isn't anything like fire and heat to melt it away so the cars can run as scheduled.

I know sometimes he can be difficult, but I doubt that he has ever caused anything like that. Besides, if he was on the track I'm sure they would just escort or carry him off, as needed, and start the race as scheduled.

Back when Richmond came right after Daytona it was snowed out.. 85, 86, 87.. I don't remember exactly..

I don't believe it was ice but in 2006 i think there were snow storms at Bristol all weekend and the cup race was delayed for snow.

There had been beverages and coolers(Ice included) that were thrown on the track at Talladega that I do believe brought a rescheduling of on track driver festivities due to the debris and safety of personnel.

Bristol I believe two years ago was snowed out in the Nationwide race in spring.

Yes it snowed at Bristol Motor Speedway. Once they cleared the track, Kurt Busch won and on his victory lap he got out of his car and pretended to make snow angels.

LOL ... I'm sure it's nothing a jet dryer wouldn't take care of.

yeah... and here it is.. lmfao.. j/k

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/lars_...

everyone is right.. Kyle Busch won like everyone said and he did snow angels..

yes because in the warm climates the ice accumulates as slush, and slush is a form of ice

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Is Jeremy Mayfield finished in NASCAR?

May be...

Who knows why Nascar has chosen to keep it quiet... Your right, Ice the steroids were made public, and pronto too. Turned out to be totally different than we first thought too. When we hear "Steroids" we automatically think bad thoughts. That's why I feel like Nascar wouldn't be a dummy in something as big as this. Nascar maybe has a Good reason for keeping mum about this whole issue. Could be a CMA issue too?? I do know from experience that over the counter sinus meds can be bad... I was totally miserable once took 2 sudafed instead of the 1 (recommended dosage) and passed out. I've since read plenty of articles of people doing the same, some even ended up hospitalized. Who knows how this mess is gonna all end up. Anyways yeah I think he's pretty much history as a driver. As for the Tim R driver, different time/date. Our whole world is totally different now.

i think that sometimes mistakes are made and over the counter drugs that are taken by some can make the test throw a false positive. i think that there should be some sort of appeals system in place like the legal system of the US so that the driver can prove their innocence..or at least have the driver have a nascar lawyer that can try to appeal the case once to nascar. i think that would be real fair instead of just assuming the test was a positive..though it could have been a false positive........i understand where Nascar is coming from but if the competition is supposed to be fair..all the cars the same..then why not the drug policy for an appeal or investigation/appeal....be fair? i think nascar will find that they've made a big mistake by not having an appeals process as they did with Tim Richmond and that the grey area should probably be investigated and understood instead of being so darn grey.....why cant things just be fair?

....at the time NASCAR was looking for a way to get rid of Tim Richmond in a diplomatic fasion.Well we know the rest.
With Jeremy I think there is something deeper than what we as the casual fans know.NASCAR does not want to release to the general public.

Okay lets review the facts Jeremy really sucks at driving and he takes drugs. I'd say his NASCAR career is over time to move on.

I hope not. There is no list of specific substances that are tested for. NASCAR was very vague. This article from NASCAR.com has the latest updates: Mayfield still trying to understand his suspension
Says NASCAR won't give any information about failed test

CONCORD, N.C. -- Jeremy Mayfield made an appearance at the NASCAR Sprint Cup All-Star Race Saturday night, vowing that he is "alive, well and healthy" and adding that he still is struggling to understand why NASCAR has suspended him indefinitely for allegedly violating its substance abuse policy.

Mayfield was suspended indefinitely as both owner and driver by NASCAR following what NASCAR said was a positive test for "a drug of concern" prior to last Saturday's Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway. Mayfield was the owner and driver of the No. 41 Toyota that was driven to a 22nd-place finish in Saturday's Sprint Showdown by J.J. Yeley, who replaced him as driver. For the time being, his wife, Shana, is listed as owner of the #41 car.
"All I can say is you can see I'm alive, well and healthy. I'm fine," Mayfield told a small group of reporters. "I'm here to watch my car run. I appreciate what y'all [in the media] have done because y'all are asking the right questions to the right sources and getting the same results. ... They've indicated something different every day of the week. That's what I've heard. I've heard the same stories y'all have heard. I really don't want to say a whole lot to stir anything up."

Yet Mayfield's very presence at the track stirred up NASCAR officials, who questioned why he had attended the event while under suspension in the first place and also strongly refuted his assertions that he has not been informed of why specifically he has been suspended.

"All NASCAR members who violate the policy, including Jeremy, are notified of the substance that caused the failure," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said. "Jeremy was verbally informed of the substance on three occasions last week by NASCAR's medical review officer. NASCAR stands by the reputable physicians and the nationally renowned lab that handles our substance abuse program."

As for Mayfield's decision to attend Saturday's Showdown, Poston said Mayfield misunderstood that he was not permitted to do so while under suspension.

"No suspended driver or crew member is permitted in any area of the track where NASCAR business or responsibilities are conducted," Poston said. "This includes, but is not limited to, the garage, spotters stand, pit road, driver/owner lot, and hospitality areas.

"There seems to have been a misunderstanding on Jeremy's part. NASCAR officials spoke with him and he understands the rules of suspension and agreed to comply."

Nonetheless, Mayfield indicated earlier that he is exasperated by what he said was the lack of information he has received about his positive test results.

"If any of you guys were in my shoes, wouldn't you want to know your results of what happened? I've got nothing from them. I got reinstatement papers, that's it. I'd like to see results and I don't have them," Mayfield said.

Mayfield insisted -- again -- that he took a prescription drug and that his allergies flared up so badly during the recent Richmond race weekend that he mixed over-the-counter medicine with it. He said the over-the-counter medicine consisted of two Claritin D pills.

"That's the honest-to-God truth," Mayfield said.

Mayfield had earlier made that same assertion that a combination of prescription drugs and over-the-counter medicine had triggered his positive test and it was roundly rejected as implausible by NASCAR.

Mayfield added that he respects NASCAR for what they are trying to accomplish with their new, tougher drug policy. But in this case, he said he doesn't feel like he has been able to fairly explain his position -- and thus he feels as if he is being unfairly labeled as some kind of drug abuser.

"I understand their test policy; I understand what they're trying to do. I just wish that I had a little bit of consideration to explain what my side was," he said.

Mayfield said he would move as quickly as possible to get reinstated as owner and driver. He also strongly denied that he has taken illegal drugs of any kind.

"Yeah, I'm denying it. Illegal drugs? Yeah, definitely," Mayfield said. "I swear I can't tell you anymore ... all I want to do is race and be treated fairly.

"Here I am, trying to do the best I can. ... I'm labeled now. The damage is done. It's huge. My family, my friends, everybody that knows me knows better. It's a huge deal, and it's been frustrating. I'd like to have been back in the car this week. All I want to do is work with them. I'll work with them any way they want. They can drug test [me] any day they want. I'll go for it."
Mayfield added that he has no intention of attending any kind of drug rehabilitation counseling.
"I'm not going to rehabilitation. Why would I?" he said. "Would you go

unfortunately i think mayfield is done in nascar.they (nascar)need to clarify what he tested positive for,he could have taken claritin or even cold medicine,or he could have smoked marijuanna or crack but we will never know.as for tim richmond failing his drug test it was that he said he was using over the counter cold medicine,but he was suffering from aids and he didn't want anyone to know that he was sick.nascar did tim richmond wrong,he was a great driver and a great person.

I haven't heard many people who are happy with the way NASCAR is handling the Mayfield drug testing. Doesn't seem to matter if they are Mayfield fans or not, something just isn't right here. We don't seem to have enough information from either side to get a clear vision of this issue.
On the Tim Richmond thing: that was a long time ago and another mindset ago. Yes NASCAR was wrong in it's handling of the Tim Richmond issues. Were it today instead of back then I think we'd see a totally different response from NASCAR.

Yes.
There is no list of drugs that are not allowed and their tolerances.
Jeremy took Clariton D.
There are 2 types of Clariton D. 24 hour and 12 hour. The 12 hours says take 1 tablet every 12 hours or 2 every 24 hours. The 24 hour tablet which is twice the amount of ingredients says 1 tablet every 24 hours.
On the instructions it doesn't say you can not drive. It does say that taking more than the recommended amount can cause drowsiness. Jeremy said he took 2. Don't know if that is 2 of the 24 hour tablets or 2 of the 12 hour tablets. Either way that is an easy mistake to make when taking over the counter drugs. If I had allergies and knew I had to race to be competitive I might be willing to pop an extra pill thinking it would help keep those allergies away while I am trying to drive and be competitive. If I had taken 2 pills before and knew the effects on my body then I would have seen no problem popping an extra pill trying to knock out the allergy.
http://www.claritin.com/pdf/readthebox/c...
http://www.claritin.com/pdf/readthebox/c...

The problem is is there is no list and the amount of allowances that the drivers can go by to know the tolerances. NASCARвЂ™s substance abuse policy administrator, Dr. David Black, was asked about the Claritin D issue. Black said Claritin D is among the substances tested for, but he would not confirm whether that was the drug Mayfield used. Here is his response:

.... вЂњI will say we have a threshold from something like Claritin D, so itвЂ™s a drug of concern,вЂќ Black said. вЂњIt could be that if an individual used Claritin D to excess that would be reason for action.вЂќ
.... Black said Claritin D can cause everything from a high heart rate to anxiety to a drastic change in body temperature.
.... вЂњThat would not be good for anybody driving,вЂќ he said.
http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/05...

NASCAR is full of gray areas. This drug abuse policy is a big gray area. It allows NASCAR to do what they want. The tolerances are way too low. A good lawyer could bust NASCAR's butt for what they forced Jeremy to do. The man had to quit driving, sign his company over to his wife, and hire an outside driver to take his spot. They labeled him as a drug addict and want him to enter rehab. If Jeremy can prove his case with a hair follicle test then he needs to. This drug abuse policy needs to be adjusted before it gets out of hand.
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Added:
A hair follicle test is 10 times more accurate than a urine test.
http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/05...
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Adding to what was said below. I don't understand why they are keeping Jeremy Mayfield's results private when they posted Ron Hornaday's case of steroid use all over the web.

I believe that nascar will retest Mayfield at a later time in the sesaon and if he's clean he they'll let him back in a car, at least is what they have done in the past. However, if Mayfield continues to irritate nascar who knows. nascar has been vague with their drug policy so that they don't have a grey area. One things for sure Jeremy Mayfield needs nascar more than nascar needs him.

I do not believe that NASCAR was targeting Jeremy the way they were Tim Richmond but I do feel that Mr. Mayfield's career as a driver in NASCAR is done. If he had more talent and was more marketable it might be worth it to him to go through the treatment process needed to start reestablishment. Without sponsors or owners clamoring over him I don't think he will subject himself to that ordeal.
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Mayfield thrives on drama. Hima nd his wife are the drama queens of nascar. He tested positive for something and was banned...Period..Done! He is just making himself look more like a loser by running his mouth as usual. He had also stated he took drug tests at other places and refused to release the results..Why?? Because they were positive again??? I say be done with him and move on. He wasn't that great to begin with.

After reading all the responses and articles, I may not sleep tonight! Thanks, ICE, for showing the hair test info for drugs. That is more accurate than a urine test. But, putting this aside ---

First, I feel badly for Tim Richmond. That was about the time I was coming on board with NASCAR so I don't know anything about that. It sounds terribly unfair and hurtful. Now,

Why won't NASCAR and Jeremy Mayfield hold a joint press conference? Why won't NASCAR provide a list of banned substances? What is the big "secret"?

(And, to answer my own questions - the only thing I can think of is a pending lawsuit that hasn't come to light yet?)

No one should have to put their life on hold for this rubbish. And, that's what is has gotten down to. This isn't fair to Jeremy nor the other drivers.

ADD: I was so worked up I forgot to answer the question. I do not think his career is over pending the "accurate" reporting of the drug test. And, it had better be truthful.....

It is a very good chance because he is saying he is not going to go to rehab and that is part of the conditions.

GO 24!!!!

Jeremy isn't finished yet, but I smell lawyers getting involved. If he just sucked it up, did rehab for whatever unknown substance Nascar says he's using, and got cleared from Nascar, he'd be in again. I think this may just be something he can't quite recover from. Wonder what he did to tick Nascar off so bad.

He's probably done for now, but if he can prove NASCAR otherwise in court, he might have a serious case.

yes
He sucked anyways

yes because he sucks

I'm beginning to think that he's getting the Tim Richmond treatment:

"In 1990, The New York Times reported that Dr. Forest Tennant, who was at that time the National Football League's drug adviser, "falsified drug tests"[20] that ultimately helped shorten Tim Richmond's NASCAR career.[20] Washington television station WJLA-TV, in early 1990, reported that sealed court documents and interviews showed Tennant and NASCAR used "allegedly false drug-test results in 1988 to bar Richmond from racing".[20] Reporter Roberta Baskin stated that NASCAR had targeted Richmond, requesting that Tennant establish a substance-abuse policy with Richmond in mind.[20] "A series of drug tests and falsely reported positive results shortly before the 1988 Daytona 500 kept Richmond from driving in what was to have been his last big race. . .", the report said.[20] While neither Tennant nor NASCAR supplied an official response at the time, NASCAR did confirm that they were seeking to replace Tennant."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Richmon...

NASCAR did Richmond wrong, IMHO, and has never apologized to his family and fans.

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Isn't it true that Dale Earnhardt Sr. was absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the best driver EVER?

May be...

he definitely was one of the best in nascar.

hell ya
ill join ya
<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

Yes

I am/was/will be forever a Dale fan, BUT he was a dirty driver, even when he didn't need to be. It's hard to compare Dale to other legends like David Pearson, Bobby Allison, and Richard Petty. Dale has done things in a car that noone else could do and get away with. How many times have we seen some other driver try an Earnhardt maneuver and wind up wrecking himself? A bunch of times. Dale's an easy top 5 pick for best stock car driver ever, but Richard Petty's record makes Earnhardt look like a rookie. Petty won the Daytona 500 7 times. It took Dale 20 years just to win it once.

Yes most certainly was! Wish he were still here! RIP

Not the best ever, and Im a HUGE fan of Big E.
He is unquestionably in the top five of anybodies list, if they are truly honest with themselves.
He was the best of his era. I would put David Pearson as the best. Then a toss up for second, between Petty and Earnhardt.
It is too hard to compare drivers of different eras, by any standard means.
Petty has the most wins, also the most starts. He raced in an era of 40-50 races a year, with factory sponsors and maybe 3-4 cars with a strong chance to win.
Pearson had the same advantages, won a higher percentage of starts, and beat Petty 38-29 in the races that they finished 1-2.

He was definitely one of the best !

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

H E N D R I C K~M O T O R S P O R T S~R U L E S ! ! ! ! !

hes only realy famous cas he died

he's on the list

For now. If Kyle Busch ever calms down, and wises up... Senior could be in for a run for his money. I believe that Senior could handle a car just as well as Rowdy, and he had much more knowledge of the car. But, KyB wins in ALL the cars, Truck, N-wide, and Cup. Senior only won a few times in then-Busch and 76 times in cup. Overall, Shrub will have more championships, but only 2, maybe 3 in Cup. Senior will always be the best CUP driver ever, but Richard Petty is a close second.

He was the best of his era...the best EVER?...we can't say that for sure.

The best of his time, yes.

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

He was one of the best drivers ever in NASCAR, without a doubt.

GO 24!!!!

Two words, Richard Petty.

He was a great driver for his time. But if you ask Nascar drivers who the best driver of all time was. Im pretty sure majority would say "The Silver Fox" David Pearson. Even "The King" Richard Petty has said that David Pearson was a better driver than himself.

who ever said he isnt lets see you do better

BEST DRIVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

NO! Not in his era or any other era. He may have been a good driver, but not the best.

Can;' say that anyone was unquestionably the best. It's an opinion. People will always have differing opinions on everything.

No way would he get my vote...

One of the best BUT not the best. J Gordon has better stats than he does. No one is/was better than David Pearson !!!!! He has the best stats and they're better than The King or Yarborough.

While he was definitely great, my vote goes to Richard Petty. This is not meant to disrespect the Intimidator, it is just my honest opinion. I think a lot of people forget how impressive the old generation were just because we can only hear stories about them or just barely remember watching them.(I'm 36.)human organism

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Isn't it true that Dale Earnhardt Sr. was absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the best driver EVER?

May be...

hes only realy famous cas he died

NO! Not in his era or any other era. He may have been a good driver, but not the best.

who ever said he isnt lets see you do better

he's on the list

He was one of the best drivers ever in NASCAR, without a doubt.

GO 24!!!!

BEST DRIVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Two words, Richard Petty.

He was definitely one of the best !

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

H E N D R I C K~M O T O R S P O R T S~R U L E S ! ! ! ! !

Can;' say that anyone was unquestionably the best. It's an opinion. People will always have differing opinions on everything.

hell ya
ill join ya
<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

Yes most certainly was! Wish he were still here! RIP

he definitely was one of the best in nascar.

No way would he get my vote...

Yes

He was the best of his era...the best EVER?...we can't say that for sure.

The best of his time, yes.

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

One of the best BUT not the best. J Gordon has better stats than he does. No one is/was better than David Pearson !!!!! He has the best stats and they're better than The King or Yarborough.euro start

Isn't it true that Dale Earnhardt Sr. was absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the best driver EVER?

May be...

He was the best of his era...the best EVER?...we can't say that for sure.

he definitely was one of the best in nascar.

hes only realy famous cas he died

who ever said he isnt lets see you do better

he's on the list

hell ya
ill join ya
<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

No way would he get my vote...

He was one of the best drivers ever in NASCAR, without a doubt.

GO 24!!!!

One of the best BUT not the best. J Gordon has better stats than he does. No one is/was better than David Pearson !!!!! He has the best stats and they're better than The King or Yarborough.

NO! Not in his era or any other era. He may have been a good driver, but not the best.

The best of his time, yes.

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

Yes most certainly was! Wish he were still here! RIP

Yes

He was definitely one of the best !

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

H E N D R I C K~M O T O R S P O R T S~R U L E S ! ! ! ! !

Two words, Richard Petty.

BEST DRIVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Can;' say that anyone was unquestionably the best. It's an opinion. People will always have differing opinions on everything.cartoon cat woman

Isn't it true that Dale Earnhardt Sr. was absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the best driver EVER?

May be...

Two words, Richard Petty.

hell ya
ill join ya
<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

No way would he get my vote...

Yes most certainly was! Wish he were still here! RIP

he definitely was one of the best in nascar.

He was one of the best drivers ever in NASCAR, without a doubt.

GO 24!!!!

hes only realy famous cas he died

who ever said he isnt lets see you do better

He was definitely one of the best !

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

H E N D R I C K~M O T O R S P O R T S~R U L E S ! ! ! ! !

One of the best BUT not the best. J Gordon has better stats than he does. No one is/was better than David Pearson !!!!! He has the best stats and they're better than The King or Yarborough.

Can;' say that anyone was unquestionably the best. It's an opinion. People will always have differing opinions on everything.

NO! Not in his era or any other era. He may have been a good driver, but not the best.

BEST DRIVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Yes

He was the best of his era...the best EVER?...we can't say that for sure.

The best of his time, yes.

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

he's on the listfunnuy picture

Isn't it true that Dale Earnhardt Sr. was absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the best driver EVER?

May be...

hell ya
ill join ya
<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

he definitely was one of the best in nascar.

He was one of the best drivers ever in NASCAR, without a doubt.

GO 24!!!!

Yes most certainly was! Wish he were still here! RIP

BEST DRIVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

NO! Not in his era or any other era. He may have been a good driver, but not the best.

he's on the list

Can;' say that anyone was unquestionably the best. It's an opinion. People will always have differing opinions on everything.

One of the best BUT not the best. J Gordon has better stats than he does. No one is/was better than David Pearson !!!!! He has the best stats and they're better than The King or Yarborough.

Two words, Richard Petty.

The best of his time, yes.

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

who ever said he isnt lets see you do better

hes only realy famous cas he died

He was definitely one of the best !

<three fingers held up, eyes closed, face cast down, somber mood>

H E N D R I C K~M O T O R S P O R T S~R U L E S ! ! ! ! !

No way would he get my vote...

Yes

He was the best of his era...the best EVER?...we can't say that for sure.canceling xbox

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