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Tony Stewart right now is the better driver. Busch is having a great year, but Tony has 2 championships. I think I have a idea why Tony is not performing so well this year, he is not happy driving a toyota. Wait till next year when he is back in a chevy. Kyle Busch has more talent if your a real tony fan you wouldnt have any asked ths question Tony is one of the greatest nascar drivers, but it's just isn't a great year for him. He had a couple of races in the bag but some bad luck took him out. Kyle is having a great year, kinda like Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon did last year. Plus, Tony has been distracted to say the least, he badly wants to be driving a chevrolet and next year he will. But I know he wants to win for Joe Gibbs while he's still there.
Great answer winter glory. I'm super curious about this seeings as how Kyle has 7 wins so far and Tony has 0. If you say Tony is shouldnt he have more wins than Kyle Busch at this point or at least A win?? After all doesnt he have this major horsepower advantage like Kyle that he didnt have last season even though he was higher in points?? Why is Tony and Denny running bad?? Do the Toyotas have a horsepower disadvantage or what?? not this year Tony Stewart is a better driver than Kyle Busch. Kyle Busch somehow as pulled out victories because Gibbs has given him a good engine. Tony has 2 NASCAR Cup Series Championships, Kyle has ZERO. He probaly won't have one this year, he will screw up the Chase. It's just that Tony is getting the bad cars...Kyle is getting the juiced up horsepower hogging cars.
Tony should win soon, I can tell you he has to. It would be uncharacteristic of him to not win.
And oh yea, Tony is the better driver.
Aww man, you're gonna make me go there on my own favorite driver?
When Rowdy's got himself a couple championships under his belt, we'll talk, till then, Smoke still has him beat.
As far as this season, no one's been better than Kyle.
Heck I even missed the rest of the question, I don't know why Tony hasn't won yet, I know he's had alot on his plate lately.
And Denny's doing okay. He's got a win.
edit: Okay, all the Toyota theories, he HAS won in a Toyota, just not on the cup level, if he didn't want his Camry in vic. lane, why did he win Nationwide races? By saying that's the reason he hasn't won is calling into question his passion to win.
AND did he intentionally have his tire explode within 1/2 a lap of victory lane, just so he wouldn't win in a Toyota?
I get what you're saying about the championship, but come on..you know as well as I do, that everything weighs on the big prize. Why do you think Martin's going to HMS, he wants that championship. Who wants to be the Dan Marino of nascar? Yes. Tony is a many time champion in many different types of cars. Kyle has won a championship in.....nothing.
Everybody has a hot streak once in awhile. Kyle has more wins this year than the entire rest of his career combined. Before this season he had a habit of being very fast and wrecking a lot of cars. The new car is a tank so he doesn't have to worry about abusing it anymore.
Tony has had several very good races this year only to have bad luck cost him wins and good finishes. Everybody has a cold streak once in awhile too. Yes, Smoke is a better driver.
Consider this: Stewart is a Chevy man at heart. Yeah, he absolutely wants to win. But does he really want to win for Toyota? tony is better than kyle... a couple wins in a season that is a little over halfway doesnt even come close to 2 championships... plus tony can still win races... and being a better driver doesnt always mean winning more races it means having a successful career that is stable... kyle hasnt had a very stable career in my opinion and until now tony was very stable in his career maybe not personally You may not agree with me....but I feel Tony is better. The only reason we're seeing goose eggs in the win column is maybe Tony is too loyal to Chevrolet??? If Tony is as loyal to Chevy as he claimed he is during Stewart-Haas press conference why would he or Chevy want to see the #20 in Victory Lane in a Toyota??? Lame duck season? Just a theory. He's definitely a better whiner!! win all the races you want Tony's got 2 cups so id rather have a driver that can get me cups and stuff then a snot nose lil brat any day Yes. Just because Stewart hasn't won this year, doesn't make Kyle a better driver...Tony is a Cup champion, remember??????
Go JR.>>>> i know where you're going with the "supposed horsepower advantage" and how they should be equal and therefore "better than all the others," but i don't see what that has to do with who is the better driver. even if toyotas did have an hp advantage in cup, which they don't, what difference would that make in determining who is better between kyle and tony? they both drive toyotas for the same team. there should be no horsepower difference between them - jgr builds their own engines.
i think that RIGHT NOW kyle is the better driver - he MAY even be more talented, but that's such an objective measure. kyle is riding a wave and that wave may crash it may not, but he's getting all he can out of it right now - winning everywhere he goes, driving everything he can, and running for multiple teams. tony is pre-occupied. he's a professional and will give it his all, but he had to give it his all in the past in order to win two championships. and at least once, his "all" wasn't enough to get him into the chase. and that was while he wasn't going through the whole move to ownership of his own team, and all the media scrutiny and extra work and pressure that brings on. time will tell who ends up being "the better driver" for all posterity, but for right now, and right now only, kyle's the man in the front seat.
EDIT: i recognize that you are a toyota fan, but i think that by throwing in their "supposed" hp advantage you not only muddle the question at hand, but you put that thought out there again as ammunition for those people who believe it. Tony is definitely the better driver Well, Rowdy has not won a Championship YET. Smoke has 2...so Yep in my book Smoke still RULES.. This yr still has more races left and no Cup for Rowdy yet, re-ask this question in Dec..
Go Dale Jr & Hms What's more important? More wins or more championships? I hear Kyle Busch is the next Dale Earnhardt. But from the same mouths I hear Dale Earnhardt was a dirty driver. I guess if you want to ignore Tony's history and past win and championships then sure Kyle is the best. While you are at it go ahead and ignore Jeff Gordon's wins, Jimmie Johnson's win, and their championships.
How can you take one person that has had a great 1/2 season and then say he's the best their has ever been? That seems to be what you are implying.
well the way i see it tony is the better driver even though he may not have any wins yet this year he is the better driver not because he is a cup champ he has more exp in racing but yea he is better than kyle I would say there are about equal. Tony might even have the edge. Tony has said he hates toyotas, so I'm almost certain that he is not trying as hard as he could. Tony has won in everything that has a gas petal. I know Kyle has 7 wins this year, and Tony has none, but they are still pretty equal in talent. Both drivers are very talented and I don't think any of them is more talented than the other. I am not sure if anyone has brought this fact up, but, who brought Kyle up in NASCAR??? HMS!
As much as i hate admitting it.. HMS is one of the, if not the best orginizations in the racing world. Period.. Bottom line.
Kyle has ambitions and talent, he developed with coming up the ranks, and learned alot at HMS. It sucked he was kept on the back burner for so long.
I am glad he is doing so well with good equipment.
Im got to go with Kyle this season as who is better.
no idea..lol DUH!!!!! KYLE BUSCH SUCKS!!!!!! Kyle Busch keeps wreaking people!!!! First off the hp advantage is in the nationwide series NOT the cup series (get it right people) and while yes Kyle has proven to be a good driver to say he is better than a 2 time champ at this point is well pointless let him get a few more years and maybe a championship or 2 yaaaay Winter!! Tony is having a rough season so far. I do think we will see him climbing a fence somewhere! maybe even Pocono. He's a better driver. he's a Champ! Kyle is having an awesome year so far. But he isn't a champ. Yet.
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Nothing against you, Gloria, as you are not the only one to say this... But, how is Ambrose considered a road course ringer? He has been full time the past 2 years. Just because he grew up racing road courses in Australia doesnt qualify him as a road course ringer.
Anyways, I believe it could be a ringer that wins today. I dont see any of the double duty Cup/Nationwide drivers getting up there and seriously challenging for the win. I am sticking with my prediction from an earlier question, and going with Pruett...
EDIT: Like I said, you weren't alone in saying it, Gloria. Even the "Experts" on ESPN have been listing Ambrose as a ringer. Jacques Vileneuve he does real well in rolex series and won 2 weeks ago. he does well in nascar too on road courses and he raced at infineion in 2008 and had an ok run. The word ringer should be banned. The only ringers are the cup and nationwide regulars that win all the time. Today may be different just because of the experience the road racers have at Montreal. I'm going with Pruett. He is just unstoppable the last couple years as long as his car holds up.
What lap will Boris break his car? He usually tears it up rather quickly. lol
He's so overrated. Could happen, my bet would be on Ambrose..
edit: I always seem to think of Ambrose as a ringer.. I hope Carl Edwards wins but I think a road ringer will win. If I had to pick a road ringer, I would go with Boris Said. no edwards to win
With Pruett on the pole, and all the ringers except Simo in the top 7, do you think a ringer is gonna win?
Go Jr.>>>> Scott is great, but I'm going with Jacques Villeneueve the home town fav.. I'm hoping for a top 10 for Brad Keselowski, and that he finishes ahead of Bowyer to get closer in the points..
Viva Jacques!!!
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You want another guy to go down? Buddy, it's 2008, not 1958. Safety is THAT important.
Insurance companies are doing what?
What religious groups? Mormons? Doing what? Well with so many rules and regulations yeah it isn't like it used to be. But then do you want to lose another good man??? I certainly don't. I'll take safety over beatin and bangin though I do love a good wreck when it does not involve my guys.
There are still a few drivers out there who still have a pair....
AND...what religious groups??? NASCAR has all my respect in the world that i can muster for keeping the opening prayer before the race!! And except for the invocation prior to the race I don't see anything religious going on.
I've been to many a race and haven't seen the hare krishnas passing out flowers or anything so I don't know what you mean by the religious thing. It is all three and many more. Sadly we have become a culture ruled by safety first and lawyers. I would like to see the old style of racing but it won't happen. If ya wanna see death and gore, follow drunk drivers home from bars late nights and witness it first-hand, lol ! Heck yea man. That's the kind of racing I want to see. Maybe when they get through figuring the car out we can see some real racing. It seems like the new car is a lot safer. Maybe next year after some more testing an tweaking on the car they can do it. Race day and races could be a lot different ya' know - and a lot better! Do we really care about safety THIS much? Wouldn't you rather see a driver with the kind of balls that will let them push it to the edge a beatin' and bangin' on doors all the way down the straight-a-way a crashin' and passin' while the only ones complaining about boo boo dents are the skin men? it aint gonna happen
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Too much! OMG, way way to much, but some people tend to drink more than others.. But I bet theres enough to fill many olympic size swimming pools..(and those pools are not small)
Go Dale Jr & Hms I did find an article stating that at the 2004 Daytona 500, they estimated about 200,000 gallons of beer consumed.
The article made me laugh.
http://thebrushback.com/daytona_full.htm I'd say more than enough by some people! way to much, at least one too many by those drinking and throwing crap, that's for sure... 12 ounces? I hope this is a complement... Girl, you ask too many questions! I sometimes wonder if NASCAR should have a proud sponsor of "Let'em have just one". It would mellow out a couple of them that really need it. depends if it's a drinkin' day. if it's hot, 650 thousand
gallons would just about do it for Loudon NH. urp. HANG ON LET ME GO ASK BUBBA HE'LL KNOW!!LOL yeah too much.....but there will never be a limit...waaay big sponsor there. i'm not sure their fruitcake... Last time I was in New Hampshire there they was running onto the track, doing backflips off they car's !!
It was crazy !! I'm telling ya !! 1 megaton I'm sure it depends on the track. Some peoples likes corn liquor. That's what it all started with. I personally tried to drink all the beer at Texas Motor Speedways April race last year and all I wound up with was a really bad sunburn and a headache!!
Judging by the crowd I wasn't doing a good enough job keeping the beer drank so it would be out of the hands of the booing mob though. Don't forget the whiskey and moonshine! How much beer is consumed at a Nascar race?
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yes they should, you would think a tire company who supplies nascar a major sporting event would make something that works. that is like a football falling apart in the 3rd quarter. to think that a good year blimp is made out of that same rubber is a scary thought. NASCAR should introduce Michelin tires, Teresa and DeLana should stop shaving their pits, and Brian France and Todd Helton should grow pencil-thin mustaches and wear berets! That would be, how you say, fantastique! Oui! Oui!
No, seriously, the answer isn't so cut-and-dry. NASCAR and Goodyear are under contract for 2-3 more years, at least. However, we shouldn't be happy with Goodyear. Both NASCAR and Goodyear failed at the Brickyard debacle. All was handled well, but the whole fiasco could have been avoided with more testing by NASCAR and Goodyear both.
Should NASCAR bring in another tire company to compete with Goodyear? Ask most of the drivers from the 80's and early 90's and they'll answer with a resounding NO. When Goodyear and Hoosier were competing in cup, they would compete to bring not a safer tire, but a faster tire. Safety was completely neglected, and cars were flying all over the place. You think Indy was bad... wait until you see a superspeedway race on supersoft tires. It won't be pretty.
If, once Goodyear's contract is up, another tire company can prove that they can put as much or more R&D as Goodyear does into the tire, all at a similar or better cost, then yes, NASCAR should switch companies. But think about this: Goodyear is an American company. Michelin is French, as you might have noticed, and Bridgestone/Firestone is Japanese. If NASCAR were to switch to one of these companies, the backlash from NASCAR fans may be even higher than the attacks thrown at the introduction of Toyota. So, France, Pemberton, and company have to ask themselves, "Is it worth the cost?" Mark Martin said today's tires are not like the older tires. He said they aren't "sticky or gooey" enough and they don't lay down rubber well enough on the tracks. He said that the tires they have now lays down a fine powder. Mark has been into racing a while and he should know. So if Goodyear has a problem with "sticky and gooey" tires then yes bring in someone who can make a tire. Simply put, no. Goodyear had 1 limited test session back in April on the diamond cut track with the new COT car. It is called trial and error. Goodyear didn't drop the ball, NASCAR did by not allowing proper time for testing. Now that it happen, you can be certain more testing will prevail a tire that will handle the COT's down force on that track. goodyear has an exclusive contract with nascar through at least 2012 (see article below). they drop the ball here and there, but they are under a lot of "pressure" so to speak, with the new car being run on new tracks. this time, they just missed badly, and they are primarily to blame. but some of that blame lies with nascar and with the crew chiefs who were given a list of places to test to choose from and they didn't pick indy this year.
so no, goodyear has a lot invested so far and they accumulated huge amounts of data with the new car at all the tracks this year and last. bringing anyone else in is just asking to go through even more "growing pains" as they come "up to speed." Yes goodyear dropped the ball.They can't figure out the COT so bring in some new minds. I say give HOOSIER a try "NO" We done been through a tire war before we don't need another. Hay the people at Goodyear are only human! I'm not going to count them out over 1 mess up. Sewart certainly thinks so and now that he's an owner look for him to really push for the good old tire wars days with Firestone. YES..THE G0ODYEAR TiRES ARE GARBAGEEEEEEE ! Back in the late 80's and early 90's we had Hoosier and Goodyear. Should we see the return of Hoosier or the intro of BF GOODRICH?
Or should we be happy with Goodyear?
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gordon put down a heck of a lap, but they're some great drivers still to go, including the busch bros...
EDIT: mark martin just smoked 'em and is now the provisional pole sitter.
EDIT II: jimmie johnson really smoked'em by 21/100ths and is the provisional pole sitter.
EDIT III: they're well into the go-or-go-homers now, so it looks like jimmie on pole. Boy, I can't even answer this one. Only the guys watch that here. I'd have to ask the ole mans cousin. i'll get back to you on it. L M A O 1 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Leader
2 8 Mark Martin Chevrolet -0.209
3 38 David Gilliland Ford -0.329
4 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet -0.355
5 17 Matt Kenseth Ford -0.427
6 12 Ryan Newman Dodge -0.459 the next five what? Mark Martin's going to win Pole*
And it's LIVE on ESPN2 Gordon on the pole lol
Even Gilliland could beat Jeff Gordon.
Sorry 24 fans couldn't help myself on that one. Pole- Johnson
2nd- Martin
3rd- Gilliland
4th- Gordon
5th- Kenseth It wouldn't do any good "Estelle"...if I told you, you'd forget anyhow.....
He he he...... no qualifying isnt complete yet
only 16 have run 24 leads Where did Danica Dale Jr. qualify? Qualifying is still underway. There are still about 30 or so cars to go but Jeff Gordon is currently on the pole. kyle busch 27th ouch Right now its Jeff Gordon. And the next 5 races are the Glen, Michigan, Bristol, Cali, and Richmond.
1st row
(1) Jimmie Johnson Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 168.215 mph
Time: 53.503 sec
(2) Mark Martin Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 167.560 mph
Time: 53.712 sec
2nd row
(3) David Gilliland Make: Ford
Speed: 167.187 mph
Time: 53.832 sec
(4) Jeff Gordon Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 167.106 mph
Time: 53.858 sec
3rd row
(5) Matt Kenseth Make: Ford
Speed: 166.883 mph
Time: 53.930 sec
(6) Ryan Newman Make: Dodge
Speed: 166.784 mph
Time: 53.962 sec
4th row
(7) Kasey Kahne Make: Dodge
Speed: 166.522 mph
Time: 54.047 sec
(8) Brian Vickers Make: Toyota
Speed: 166.522 mph
Time: 54.047 sec
5th row
(9) Greg Biffle Make: Ford
Speed: 166.516 mph
Time: 54.049 sec
(10) Kurt Busch Make: Dodge
Speed: 166.445 mph
Time: 54.072 sec
6th row
(11) Bobby Labonte Make: Dodge
Speed: 166.392 mph
Time: 54.089 sec
(12) Dale Earnhardt Jr. Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 166.349 mph
Time: 54.103 sec
7th row
(13) Juan Pablo Montoya Make: Dodge
Speed: 166.199 mph
Time: 54.152 sec
(14) Denny Hamlin Make: Toyota
Speed: 166.153 mph
Time: 54.167 sec
8th row
(15) Carl Edwards Make: Ford
Speed: 166.076 mph
Time: 54.192 sec
(16) David Ragan Make: Ford
Speed: 165.932 mph
Time: 54.239 sec
9th roe
(17) Martin Truex Jr. Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.914 mph
Time: 54.245 sec
(18) Tony Raines Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.868 mph
Time: 54.260 sec
10th row
(19) Travis Kvapil Make: Ford
Speed: 165.828 mph
Time: 54.273 sec
(20) Tony Stewart Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.773 mph
Time: 54.291 sec
11th row
(21) Kevin Harvick Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.767 mph
Time: 54.293 sec
(22) Paul Menard Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.606 mph
Time: 54.346 sec
12th row
(23) Joe Nemechek Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.587 mph
Time: 54.352 sec
(24) Dave Blaney Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.569 mph
Time: 54.358 sec
13th row
(25) Terry Labonte Make: Dodge
Speed: 165.520 mph
Time: 54.374 sec
(26) Sam Hornish Jr. Make: Dodge
Speed: 165.514 mph
Time: 54.376 sec
14th row
(27) Kyle Busch Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.499 mph
Time: 54.381 sec
(28) David Reutimann Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.466 mph
Time: 54.392 sec
15th row
(29) Elliott Sadler Make: Dodge
Speed: 165.432 mph
Time: 24.403 sec
(30) Clint Bowyer Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.371 mph
Time: 54.423 sec
16th row
(31) AJ Allmendinger Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.201 mph
Time: 54.479 sec
(32) Reed Sorenson Make: Dodge
Speed: 165.168 mph
Time: 54.490 sec
17th row
(33) Casey Mears Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 165.159 mph
Time: 54.493 sec
(34) Chad McCumbee Make: Dodge
Speed: 165.029 mph
Time: 54.536 sec
18th row
(35) Michael McDowell Make: Toyota
Speed: 165.010 mph
Time: 54.542 sec
(36) Regan Smith Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 164.751 mph
Time: 54.628 sec
19th row
(37) Bill Elliott Make: Ford
Speed: 164.705 mph
Time: 54.643 sec
(38) Robby Gordon Make: Dodge
Speed: 164.684 mph
Time: 54.650 sec
20th row
(39) Jeff Burton Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 164.660 mph
Time: 54.658 sec
(40) Scott Riggs Make: Chevrolet
Speed: 164.546 mph
Time: 54.696 sec
21st row
(41) Jamie McMurray Make: Ford
Speed: 164.525 mph
Time: 54.703 sec
(42) Michael Waltrip Make: Toyota
Speed: 164.177 mph
Time: 54.819 sec
22nd row
(43) J.J. Yeley Make: Toyota
Speed: 163.271 mph
Time: 55.123 sec
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F1 engines are normally aspirated, which means one can only get so much air into it, less than atmospheric pressure at best.
So you have a certain amount of air, no matter how much fuel you can throw into it without sucking in any more air you're not gonna get lots of power.
That's why F1 engines don't produce lots of torque, around 55 Kgm which is less than your neighbors' turbocharged Audi.
The secret to getting power out of normally aspirated engine is to rev it as high as possible.
You want crazy power you have to rev like crazy and that's what they do.
They are rev limited at 19000rpm or they would already be past 20000 which any way you look at it is nothing short of insane for a big 4 stroke cylinder. aerodynamics , light weight , formula 1 fuel
and if your an american european engines are usually smaller size but with the same power as american cars because of using cleaner fuel its the fuel they use (formula 1) If you supercharge a 4 cylinder 16 valve overhead cam engine with dual 3 in. exhaust and use a high performance ignition 20,000 volts or better, then put it all in a light weight carbon fiber body thats what you get. Well, without going all geeky and confusing.
An F1 engine only weighs approx 100kg, only has to last 400kms and can rev up to around 19,000 rpm, where most road cars go to about 6000rpm.
Economy is sacrificed, 3.5 mpg tops, no chocking emissions equipment like catalytic converters. Julian and Christos have given good answers so I'll add just a little bit more.
As they've pointed out, the power comes from the extremely high rev range. The reason they achieve this in such a small engine is reasonably simple actually.
It seems as though a shorter piston stroke allows higher engine speeds to be achieved. So by reducing the length of the stroke the bore size is increased a proportional amount resulting in a 2.4l engine. So, in a normal road car you have a narrow piston with a long stroke and an F1 car just has a really fat piston that doesn't have to travel as far.
That's about as well as my limited mechanical knowledge can explain it unfortunately. I hope this coupled with some of the other answers helps.
