Are toyotas being punished unfairly by the timing of this mandate?

May be...

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YES...this kind of thing shouldve happen WAAAAY before in the beginning of the season. I agree with you 100%....just for that i hope Kyle comes in second to JEFF GORDON...if Gordon can't win it...than i'll go with kyle. =)

I also agree with Trego-topolopolis

I'm guessing and only guessing, but I would think that this was announced a few weeks ago to the teams and it's just now come out to the public just for the fact that time was needed to test these things out.

There's a ton of things that I find unfair about NA$CAR, but 2 wrongs dont make a right if in fact no notice was given. But it should seem pretty obvious that NA$CAR done the wrong thing out of the gate and I do hate mid-season rule changes.

I'm glad it's changed, but like many others, I dont wanna see IROC cars, and it's unfortunate that this is what the sport has come down to.

no, i'm not even talking about how toyotas in the nationwide series are having to cut down their horsepower because of a rules change that was controversial to begin with.

what i am talking about is their timing - don't you find it incredibly unfair that the change is mandated for THIS weekend and the announcement was made today? at the beginning of the season each team knew they were going to be running a tapered spacer and have been working all year long to adjust - not just the engineers but the drivers to the new feel of the car. carl edwards talked about it a lot, how he was having problems "moving his marks" to match the capabilities of the new, less powerful car this year.

now all the toyota teams have already sent their cars to indy - i'm guessing they'll arrive by tomorrow - and they've had NO opportunity to make any adjustments to those cars based upon the new horsepower capabilities and no time to test in them.

do you think nascar should have at least given more warning?

Yes, they should have given them warning BUT they have been living on borrowed time already. Some might suggest that the advantage they have had all along is much more unfair than the abrupt enforcement of these new rules.
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Yes they are.

They built a good engine with in the rules so let them keep it and tell the competition to just get better.

I mean Chevy and Hendrick dominated last year and NASCAR didn't do a thing about it....


But then again there only doing this in the Nationwide Series.

Sounds Like Tina Answered The Question, Plus A Little More. You Wanted An Answer and You Got One.

If you mean do they need more time to make an adjustment then

********NO WAY*******.

All they have to do is add a tapered spacer (restrictor plate) to the engine and NASCAR rules says that NASCAR will provide this plate.

How long does Gibbs need to bolt on a restrictor plate? Until November..???

NASCAR needs to approve engines and there would be no restrictor plate. Ford needs to submit their designs for a new engine before September. Dodge too.

Read the article at the bottom of this page and it gives the exact dimensions for the spacer. http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headline...

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"At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing less than 4.470 inches must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.125-inch diameter holes. At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.100-inch diameter holes. Unless otherwise authorized, the carburetor restrictor will be issued by NASCAR."

"Eventually, all teams that upgrade to new engine packages will be subject to this rule modification," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of competition. "Over the years in our sport, we've taken steps on numerous occasions to help maintain a level playing field among our competitors and we will continue to do so."

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I still say no way. Carl Edwards had to work within the guidelines didn't he? It was unfair to him too wasn't it?

Also how is it a "horsepower penalty"? I haven't seen anything that says there is a penalty. All I have seen is a deadline for Toyota to reduce their horsepower and NASCAR just says "Bolt this plate on". How unfair is it that Chevy has had to race all season with 17 to 21 horsepower less? (Milwaukee and Chicagoland tests results not to mention the 30 hp advantage in the Cup series and also Xtra HP in the truck series.)

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So that you don't get confused this is part of your question and I quote YOU....

"what incentive does chevy have to change to the R07, then have to install the stricter restrictor?"

My answer is this. Chevy has already tried to get Nascar to let Chevy use the R07 engines.

I will not add anything more to that because I know it will only confuse you. Do your homework. Research the facts and you will not be at odds with everyone else.

Well, I agreed with you until I read Tina's answer.

lol with you and Tina, you two are as bad as my kids.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest.....It's all good, those JGR boys won't let that slow them down one single bit. You'll see.
Just sit back and enjoy the show, man!!

You know I am a Jr fan and I drive a Ford. The make of car on the track is pointless it seems. NASCAR trys so hard to get everybody even it makes me want to puke! They should have given the teams time to adjust but they have done this before and will again. They will keep messing around until they are all running Hondas and burning methanol. It is as bad as bringing a new tire to the track that is not even close to what was used before or tested.

Well Toyota shouldn't even be in Nascar this is an AMERICAN sport, and Toyota only has fast cars right now because they have an unlimited budget, so I don't care what they have to do they should either get out or shut up.

Don't worry Rowdy, Tina hasn't even changed an oil filter let alone pulled a spark plug in an engine to see if it is running lean or rich. Yeah all the Chevy boys and gals are hoping this will cause every Toyota on the track to blow their engine... Too bad JGR and the rest of the Toyotas have smarts on their side, they don't have to cheat...
Maybe Chevy could get some of their Mexican workers, from their Mexico plant, to come work for HMS and show them some pointers...

Yes, it is unfair. It's not Toyota's fault everyone else can't keep up...

No more unfair than Toyota getting to race with an advantage half the season.

What YES said. I just answered a question before this one, it's to the point lets just have NASCAR run 43 IROC cars each week. The France family has already shot itself in the foot with these ridiculous rule changes and ghost yellows.

NASCAR is the new IROC. Hopefully it will last 10 more years. Then the babies that cry about Toyota will have their wish.

No, the other 3 teams were punished by the timing of this. It should have been weeks ago.

The rules in place on day 1 of the season should be the rules on the last day of the season. A mid season rules change doesn't seem fair to me.

NASCAR has lost so much credibility in my eyes that I could care less who gets rooked next.

It is unfair because the only reason Toyota has more horsepower is because when they came to cup their new engines were the latest generation in cup. Other teams don't have enough funding to buy and build the new engines that came standard to Toyota. If they are going to punish them on such short notice, why not make the new engines standard for every cup team.

Yes Rowdy. I won't explain but yes. Well I'll explain a bit. Look at Roush a few years back and DEI . They did nothing until the season ended. Some fans and teams now have a "witchhunt" out for Toyota. JGR did their homework. Well anyway for your sake and any JGR fan it won't matter. Let them do it. I'll enjoy Saturday night when they win again. lol