13.7.08

Why do people say the only way Kyle can win in the sprint cup is by wrecking people?

May be...

  • He's been labeled a "wreckers or checkers" driver.
    That's actually an exaggeration.
    And most likely has to do with 2 separate events this year, both occurring at Richmond, 1st in the Nationwide race, he went on national television and proclaimed he'd "take out as many drivers as I need to to win a race"
    then the very next night while fighting for position with Dale Jr. Jr spun out and Kyle was officially labeled nascar's new whipping boy.
    He doesn't need to wreck people to win, he never has.

    edit:doesn't matter if that's what he meant, that's how it was interpreted!!
  • Someone tell me who he wrecked last night, the week before that, the week before that, etc etc. Some people are still saying he can only wreck people to win. Who all's he wrecked in the Sprint Cup this season in order to win besides the Richmond race which was 2 ppl going for the same spot, JR even said so?? Are they just living life with blinders on? Kyle could have wrecked JJ last night but didnt. He could have wrecked Carl last week and didnt etc ...If he really wrecks someone every race he wins I want to hear it because its not been showing up on my tv
  • I think it is the comment that he said awhile back that he would do anything to win, including wrecking people, he has been racing clean for the past several weeks, and is doing very well. But in the mean time it has been pretty boring to watch the races lately,I see my self not payng attention to it that much anymore cause it is tooooo boring.
  • They say it because they need an excuse why their driver didn't win. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of his but he has done some great driving lately.
  • why why why why why
    God thats all i've heard out of yall why why
  • Nobody has said he can only win by wrecking people. What people HAVE said is that he has wrecked people to win.

    3 names:

    1. Dale Jr at Richmond
    2. Johnny Benson at Martinsville
    3. Ron Hornaday at Michigan

    Thats not counting the run-in with Steve Wallace at Richmond, where afterwards, he said he would do whatever it takes, including wrecking people, to win.

    This also doesnt include the Keselowski incident at Darlington, where he drove it in way too deep in Turn 1, got into the side of Keselowski, then said it was Keselowski's fault that Busch wrecked...

    Nobody can deny that Busch has the talent to be one of the best drivers in NASCAR. He just needs to tone it down and pick his spots when he can go out and show his talent. You dont need to go all out and lead every lap of every race. It is the last one that counts. Maybe if he would realize this, he would still be going for the Nationwide Championship as well, but he tried to do too much in those races about a month ago and wrecked out of a few, and now he has scaled his schedule back because of it.

    I think in time he will figure it out and will be one of the best, if not the best, driver over the next 10 years or so. And, this is coming from a Jr fan...


    EDIT: Rowdy's #1 Fan: Really, no one, including Gordon or Johnson, have said Kyle Busch was wrong?

    "I thought it was typical Kyle Busch," Gordon said of the contact between Busch and Earnhardt at Richmond. "He was racing too hard and I think he just drove in too deep. Turn 3, when you're on the inside, you've got to be the conservative one. You can't be the aggressor. And the guy on the outside, you know he's going to hold you. And he's going to pinch you. If you don't want to wreck, you're going to have to check up a little early and try to get a run on him at the bottom of the corner and then drive down into Turn 1 and get him. Or, beat him off Turn 2. You can't try to outrun a guy into Turn 3, not when you're on the inside like that."

    As for the Hornaday incident: Oh, I see... Because Hornaday has done it to someone else, that makes it perfectly acceptable for Busch to play Mr. Police and exact revenge for what Hornaday has done in the past. And, your quote of Hornaday afterwards wasnt exactly accurate. He did say that Kyle Busch had fresher tires, but Hornaday did not cut down on Kyle. Busch blatantly drove up on the rear bumper of Hornaday and turned him. Hornaday said that he gave Kyle either the top or the bottom, but he decided that the line Hornaday was in was the line Busch wanted...

    EDIT #2: Kyle Busch was the one who said "you mess with the bull, you get the horns"... So, you are saying that Busch made the comment about wrecking as many as it takes as a response to his own comment?

    Just because he didnt add "to win" onto the end of the comment about wrecking as many people as it takes, does that mean that he wouldnt wreck as many people as it took TO WIN? Isnt the point of racing TO WIN? So, by wrecking as many people as it took, the end result of doing so would be to be in Victory Lane, would it not? We can argue about this all night. You will defend your driver, and I will defend the other end... We all have our own opinions...

    Just for reference, here is the Busch/Wallace incident. Skip to the 3 min mark to hear what both of them had to say after the race... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc8DF2j4Z...
  • obviously you are very ignorant when it comes to your nascar knowledge because to be an aggressive driver you don't have to wreck people you can not give them any room coming into a turn or be impatient on a restart as we saw kyle do last night or start a slow restart as we saw last week or be pushy with the leader as we saw with kyle busch at richmond and at darlington so if you don't know why people hate kyle busch your as ignorant as kyle busch
  • Kyle is cleaner than most drivers

    lala you're ignorant- With 2 to go are you supposed to give people room? Do you think drivers should just move out of the way? He is a truly talented driver. You just try to blame him for anything and everything huh? How many people has he really wrecked? Maybe you're just jealous of how good he is, not sure. Kyle didn't do anything wrong last night, or at Daytona, quit making up stuff to make yourself feel better. What if Dale Jr. had done the same things that Kyle did? You wouldn't have cared. What you described in your answer sounds a lot like Dale Sr. Glad you spot the resemblance
  • no one said he has to wreck anybody and what most say is that he has to be extremely aggressive... which is not wrecking them... everyone needs to just drop the why do we hate kyle, kyle is the best, kyle this kyle that because ya'll are just going to get the same answers over and over again
  • Anybody that touches Dale Jr. one time and knocks him out of a win is going to have that said about them.
  • ignorance. ignorance of the facts and ignorance of how races are won. pinning someone down or not giving them room or trying something on a late restart are things that everybody does. you haven't heard one person - gordon or johnson included - who said that kyle did anything wrong or reckless in those races. heck, even cousin carl said outright he didn't let up when gordon got into him on that last restart in daytona - he'd have been an idiot if he had.

    as for his three supposedly intentional wrecks, i'll give you the benson mistake in martinsville - that was dumb. but who hasn't made a dumb mistake. as for richmond, that was two guys going for the same spot - if junior doesn't have a problem with it, why should anyone else. and the hornaday wreck, hornaday is a big mouth, and has done more wrecking of others on the track than kyle will ever do. hornaday admitted kyle had the faster truck on his four new tires, yet hornaday came down on him trying to cut him off and he missed. he tried the same thing the next week with bodine and missed again. blaming that on kyle is ludicrous. all five of hornaday's fans may disagree, but that's their opinion.

    EDIT: for everyone who keeps claiming that kyle said he would wreck as many cars as it takes to win a race, i highly suggest you go back and listen again. he was saying that he wasn't running for the points in the nationwide series, like steven wallace was. his "i'll wreck as many cars as i need to" was aimed at steven wallace in follow-up to the comment "if you mess with the bull, you're going to get the horns." he NEVER added "in order to win a race." watch it again and get back to me.
  • Jealousy...


    I am so sick of everyone saying Kyle bumps/wrecks a lot of people when he doesn't. So here is a chart of what has Kyle or into or hit so far this year.

    Cup:
    Daytona - None
    Califorina - None
    Vegas - None
    Atlanta - Jarrett was slowing him done for the last 5 laps. He asked his spotter to talk to a car multiple laps down and they didn't want to move. Even during the race he broadcast or video you here Kyle say Jeff, his spotters name and the reply was I'm working on it. Jarrett decided to stay therer and Kyle bumped him to get him out of his line.
    Bristol - Power steering broke and he spun himself
    Martinsvile - None, Kurt actually spun him. Which seemed to break a gear.
    Texas - None
    Phoenix - None
    Dega - Plenty will say that he ran into Jamie doing a dumb move but they don't see the shot Ragan gave him a shot/bump draft that sent him up there and Juan hit the #26 to make him run into Kyle.
    Richmond - Well we all have different views on what happen there now don't we.
    Darlington - Ran into Biffle accidentally knowing he was wrong he gave the spot back and passed him cleanly a couple laps later.
    All Star Race - None
    600 - None but Gordon was upset that Kyle gave him finger when Kyle felt Jeff was holding him up.
    Dover - None
    Pocono - He ran into the #26 and contributing factors was a broken mirror and he not waiting for the spotter. Also he spun because the car was so loose.
    Sonoma - None
    Loudon - He didn't hit anyone except rub up on Montoya's door which is how a lot of others show their displeasure and Juan spun him intentionally.
    Daytona - None. Got bumped by Denny and made one of the best saves ever and got it to the apron so as to not take anyone else out
    Chicagoland - None

    Nationwide:
    Daytona - Well some had a problem with him blocking his position on the last lap (Truex). But isn't that what you have to do in plate racing. But other then that none.
    California - None
    Vegas - Had a flat tire and wreck himself but no incidents
    Atlanta - broken shock mount broke a tire but no incidents
    Bristol - got into a wreck when Truex spun out. He was unlucky enough to be in the way when Truex came back up the track after another car hit him.
    Nashville - Spun himself out. He was in the way of Wimmer after he came out of the pits but once he relized he couldn't get his laps back he go out of the way.
    Texas - None
    Phoenix - None
    Mexico - None
    Dega - Got caught up in the big one but that was Kevin Lepage's fault.
    Richmond - Steven Wallace hit him with a lap to go and moved out of the way before Kyle hit him back. So not sure if you are going to say he hit Steven or not.
    Darlington - Spun when he and the #88 made contact. That wreck is very hard to place fault on in my opinion but others may see it differently. One just came up and the other came down.
    Charlatte - None
    Dover - Leffler got into the back of him spinning him out.
    Nashville - He was semi involve in the wreck where they went 4 wide and Logano hit the wall. I don't count that as him running into any one their where just to much cars fighting for one spot.
    Kentucky - Spun himself.
    Loudon - None
    Daytona - None
    Chicagoland - None

    Trucks:
    Daytona - He and Skinner go together causing the big one. I attribute a lot of that wreck to plate racing, but many won't.
    California - None
    Atlanta - He got into Bruan while Bruan had a flat tire because he was racing on the apron.
    Martinsville - He got into a car that was holding up everyone all day. He ran bumped the #11 to pass him and the car owner saw that coming. Thats how you pass at Martinsville. Skinner ran out of fuel in front of him and he ran up into him because Skinner just stopped in the middle of the track. And the Benson deal where Kyle was very wrong.
    Charolette - Hornaday got loose and ran into him.
    Dover - None, had to go to the garage and change transmissions
    Texas -None
    Michigan - The Hornaday incident, where if you look at the incident from Ron's in car camara you will see Hornaday come down when Kyle came up that wreck being both their faults.

    So that's 3 incidents in cup where he hit or got hit by someone, I think only 1 incident in the nationwide series where he hit someone else instead of getting himself into trouble and I'll give you 5 in trucks. So in 45 races he has hit someone 10 times. Almost all his incidents where deals where it only involved him and one other car. Keep in mind he has competed in more races than anyone else. He has been in a lot of incidents where he has hurt himself and where others have hurt him as well. He doesn't get in that many incidents as people think . I always felt that his aggressive nature hurts himself more than anyone else. He is much less aggressive than some of your alls old heros like Dale Sr. 3 incidents in Cup isn't bad, considering that two of them resulted in him being the only one wrecking, and the only one where he actually caused someone to wreck was Richmond. That one is very debatable since Jr. even said it was just hard racing.

    Deny Kyles talent all you want folks, its just going to make you hate him worse each time he wins and your driver doesn't!
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